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 Post subject: Does Windows 8 Secure Boot Block Linux Dual Boot
PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:24 pm 
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Does Windows 8 Secure Boot Block Linux Dual Boot
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FSF warns of Windows 8 Secure Boot
19 October 2011, 13:32

FSF logo The Free Software Foundation (FSF) has launched a campaign that calls on hardware manufacturers to build Windows 8 PCs in such a way that PC owners can install any software on their computers. Microsoft plans only to certify PCs as being compatible with Windows 8 if they support the Secure Boot UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface) feature. Secure Boot blocks the launching of unsigned bootloaders which, Linux developer Matthew Garrett fears, may prevent consumers from installing Linux onto their systems.

Microsoft has passed the buck to the hardware manufacturers, saying that the Secure Boot specification does allow unsigned operating systems to start if this is supported by the UEFI firmware. This is what the FSF is campaigning about: if the firmware doesn't allow an operating system other than the pre-installed one to be booted, says the FSF, this drastically curtails the user's freedom to decide which software to run on their PCs. In the FSF's opinion, this turns Secure Boot into "Restricted Boot". Users who want to support the campaign can sign the FSF's campaign statement.

See also:

Windows 8 to include secure boot using UEFI 2.3.1, a report from The H.
http://www.h-online.com/news/item/Windo ... 35246.html


SIGN THE PETITION ....... BTW by the way, the new security feature by Microsoft is claiming Windows security. We have heard all this 40 billion dollars ago in Bill Gates pockets. SEE Vista UAC User Account Control defeated by malware now .....
Malware turns off Windows’ UAC, warns Microsoft Computerworld
https://bluecollarpcwebs.wordpress.com/ ... y-cracked/
SOURCE ARTICLE http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/ ... onomyId=17

Further will be the boot nightmares of trying to access Windows to eradicate malware infestation. The ending of BIOS will virtually lock out all except the "Unscrupulous PC Repair Guy" the Better Business Bureau and all intelligent sources on the World Web warn us of. The American Public has been fleeced beyong belief by PC Repair shops concerning malware removals who do not even report to Federal Cyber Law Services when illegal botnets have hijacked the PC of their client's they are "fixing". MONOPLY MONOPOLY MONOPOLY and Unfair Trade Restraint ! Period ! We have seen all these security promises 40 biilion dollars ago in Bill Gates pockets.

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Linux won't be locked out of Windows 8 PCs, but FUD continues
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By Ed Bott | January 16, 2012, 6:23am PST Summary: A new draft of Microsoft's Windows 8 hardware certification specs confirms what we already knew: the new Secure Boot feature won't lock out Linux on hundreds of millions of new PCs. ...
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/linux-wo ... inues/4343


Fear, uncertainty and doubt
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" Fear, uncertainty and doubt, frequently abbreviated as FUD, is a tactic used in sales, marketing, public relations,[1][2] politics and propaganda.

FUD is generally a strategic attempt to influence perception by disseminating negative and dubious or false information. An individual firm, for example, might use FUD to invite unfavorable opinions and speculation about a competitor's product; to increase the general estimation of switching costs among current customers; or to maintain leverage over a current business partner who could potentially become a rival.

The term originated to describe disinformation tactics in the computer hardware industry but has since been used more broadly.[3] FUD is a manifestation of the appeal to fear. ...."

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 Post subject: Re: FSF warns of Windows 8 Secure Boot (Sign Petition)
PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:24 pm 
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SOURCE / QUOTED http://www.fsf.org/news/secure-boot-vs- ... -windows-8

Stand up for your freedom to install free software!

Read the truth behind so-called "Secure Boot" and sign the statement.
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Free Software Foundation warns about the danger of computers becoming Windows-only, calls for signatures to defend the freedom to install free software
by Josh Gay — last modified October 17, 2011 15:24

BOSTON, Massachusetts, USA — Monday, October 17, 2011 — The Free Software Foundation (FSF) released a statement open for public signing, titled "Stand up for your freedom to install free software."

The statement, published at http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boo ... /statement, is a response to Microsoft's announcement that if computer makers wish to distribute machines with the Windows 8 compatibility logo, they must implement a system called "Secure Boot." The FSF statement warns against the danger that, if done wrong, this system would have to be called Restricted Boot, because it could make computers incapable of running anything but Windows.

The technology in question aims to protect against malware by preventing unauthorized operating systems components from booting. Stopping unauthorized tampering could be a feature, says the FSF, but only so long as it doesn't prevent users from intentionally running and modifying free software. If the boot system works in this fashion, then it deserves the name many are already calling it, "Secure Boot."

However, the FSF is concerned that Microsoft and hardware manufacturers will implement the system in a way that will prevent users from booting anything other than Windows. In this case, the FSF offers the more accurate name of Restricted Boot, explaining that such a requirement would be a severe restriction on computer users and, by giving only a remote third party control over what's authorized to run on their computers, not a security feature at all.

"We're looking at a world in which it could become impossible for the average user to install GNU/Linux on any new computer, so too much is at stake for us to wait and see if computer manufacturers will do the right thing. Secure Boot could all too easily become a euphemism for restriction and control by computer makers and Microsoft — freedom and security necessitate users being in charge of their own computers," said FSF executive director, John Sullivan.

Those signing the FSF's statement urge all computer makers implementing this system to resist any pressure to adopt Restricted Boot:

We, the undersigned, urge all computer makers implementing UEFI's so-called "Secure Boot" to do it in a way that allows free software operating systems to be installed. To respect user freedom and truly protect user security, manufacturers must either allow computer owners to disable the boot restrictions, or provide a sure-fire way for them to install and run a free software operating system of their choice.

Signers of the statement commit to "neither purchase nor recommend computers that strip users of this critical freedom," and to "actively urge people in our communities to avoid such jailed systems."

"I have been astounded by the number of people reaching out to us from all over the world, asking us to help build awareness and put pressure on computer manufacturers," said FSF campaigns manager, Joshua Gay. He added that "some of the people who contacted us expressed their nightmarish scenario of having even more hardware being tossed in landfills as a result of this," referring to the popular trend of reviving older hardware with GNU/Linux — something that would no longer be possible if more computers were locked by design into only running Windows.

A more detailed overview of the issue can be found at http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boo ... cted-boot/.

Organizations interested in adding a prominent notice of their support should contact Joshua Gay at campaigns@....
About the Free Software Foundation

The Free Software Foundation, founded in 1985, is dedicated to promoting computer users' right to use, study, copy, modify, and redistribute computer programs. The FSF promotes the development and use of free (as in freedom) software — particularly the GNU operating system and its GNU/Linux variants — and free documentation for free software. The FSF also helps to spread awareness of the ethical and political issues of freedom in the use of software, and its Web sites, located at fsf.org and gnu.org, are an important source of information about GNU/Linux. Donations to support the FSF's work can be made at http://donate.fsf.org. Its headquarters are in Boston, MA, USA.
About Free Software and Open Source

The free software movement's goal is freedom for computer users. Some, especially corporations, advocate a different viewpoint, known as "open source," which cites only practical goals such as making software powerful and reliable, focuses on development models, and avoids discussion of ethics and freedom. These two viewpoints are different at the deepest level. For more explanation, see http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-sour ... point.html.
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 Post subject: Thousands of Penguins Raise Flippers At Microsoft Secure Boo
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Thousands of Penguins Raise Flippers At Microsoft Secure Boot
Wired News
The controversy has been brewing for a few weeks, with Microsoft saying that everything will be just fine, and the Linux community fretting about a possible flanking attack. For Linux fans, there's a sense of dèjá vu. Microsoft backed a very similar ...
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 Post subject: Linux Licensing in Conflict with Secure Boot Support
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Linux Licensing in Conflict with Secure Boot Support
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This has raised concerns, and quite a furor, from some Linux fans who worry that this could lock Linux (and other alternative operating systems such as various FreeBSD variants) out if their boot loaders don't have the proper key to provide for secure ...
http://www.tech-faq.com/linux-licensing ... pport.html

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 Post subject: Windows 8 Dual Boot Possible If 'Secure Boot' Disabled
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Windows 8 Dual Boot Possible If 'Secure Boot' Disabled
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By Kurt Mackie Microsoft addressed a claim that Windows 8 will not allow Linux operating systems to coexist in a dual-boot configuration on PCs, based on use of the Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) standard. The debunking of that claim was ...
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 Post subject: Microsoft, Red Hat Spar Over Secure Boot-loading Tech
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Microsoft, Red Hat Spar Over Secure Boot-loading Tech
PCWorld
By Joab Jackson, IDG News Is Microsoft using a next-generation computing
boot-loading technology to lock out the use of Linux and other OSEs on
certain computers? While Microsoft has denied malicious intent, one Red
Hat developer maintains that this ...
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 Post subject: Windows 8 won't dual-boot Linux?
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Windows 8 won't dual-boot Linux?
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Software giant Microsoft may be in for a potential conflict with the
Linux community, some of whose members voiced concerns the secure
booting procedure of its upcoming Windows 8 operating system can lock
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 Post subject: Windows 8 Spells Trouble for Linux, Hackintosh Users and Mal
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Windows 8 Spells Trouble for Linux, Hackintosh Users and Malware Victims
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Microsoft is trying to lock down system firmware to prevent malware and pirated copies of Windows. Unfortunately, this may have some undesirable side effects for Linux users and anyone else that wants to boot an operating system not officially blessed ...
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 Post subject: Will Windows 8 block users from dual-booting Linux? Microsof
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Will Windows 8 block users from dual-booting Linux? Microsoft won't say
By Mary Jo Foley | September 21, 2011, 12:05pm PDT
Summary: Some are concerned that Microsoft’s coming Windows 8 secure-boot technologies and policies could result in users being unable to dual-boot Linux alongside Windows 8. Microsoft officials aren’t commenting on whether the worries are unfounded or grounded.
There’s a report circulating — originating with a Red Hat employee — that says Microsoft’s new secure-boot functionality in Windows 8 could preclude users from running both Windows and Linux on their PCs. ......
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 Post subject: Microsoft Blocks Linux From Windows 8 Machines
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Microsoft Blocks Linux From Windows 8 Machines
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Custom boot mode allows users to add new operating system signatures to the system's database, enabling them to install, for example, Linux-based systems on their machines. With custom boot disabled, that capability is taken away. ...
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